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这几天肖战粉丝大量举报博君一肖某位作者发表在ao3上的一篇同人文(举报人数估计过千),原因是此篇文章涉及未成年人性行为和嫖娼等敏感话题且在微博平台传播较广(转赞评均在5000+)。这个行为遭到了很多人的攻击,说文学创作应当自由,不能因为个人不喜欢就去举报,不能滥用公权力来泄愤。

个人觉得类似事件是18年墨香铜臭被举报事件。18年耽美作者墨香铜臭也是因为撰写并非法出版涉及淫秽色情的个人志被原耽圈读者大量举报且因此入狱(是否入狱存有疑问),但此次举报行为被视为正义行为。

所以,对于举报这件事我感到疑惑,举报这个行为本身是否正义或正确?什么情况下才能行使举报的权利?如果自己在用户量大的公共社交平台上发现了自认为会产生不良影响的图文频,对此进行举报是做错了吗?

【相关问题】

如何看待「匿名举报」??

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举报行为是否「正义」,完全取决于负责处置举报的执行者是否「正义」。

如果官方层面的执法从白色的「秉公执法」变成了灰色的「选择性执法」,那么民间层面的举报也必然也会从白色的「守护秩序」变为灰色的「打压异己」。

换句话说,如果举报的受理者就没打算主持公平正义的话,那么举报行为本身也没有公平正义可言。

这件事情上没人应当装外宾。

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微博上问我:你嘲讽举报,那举报贪官也不行么?

当然行。举报贪官、举报食品安全、举报老师私下补习都可以。

但你发现没,这种举报得靠身边人拿出实锤才能成功。

一群网友拿著网上看到几句只言片语就瞎胡举报,到处嚷嚷「实锤了」,可以说屁用没有。

现在网友们比较擅长的是:量子超视距举报。

我也没见过你,我也不认识这人,上网刷到了,反正我就要举报。

隔著十万八千里,几张图就能定你的罪,还能看出来你啥动机。

网友们可能不知道,很多人上法庭拿出来所谓实锤的录音,都不能作为证据采信。

你这个录音来源合不合法?里面录下来那几句话是不是就是你理解的意思?上下文是什么?有没有剪辑的可能?

一个环节对不上都不行。

当然光批评中国网民也不合理,这事儿全人类都差不多。

当年爱因斯坦在美国期间,遭到一位美国妇女举报,说他「通苏」。

那个时候美国麦卡锡主义盛行,通苏是很严重的指控。

这位妇女认识他么?不认识。

为什么要举报?

因为她给爱因斯坦写信,问他「数学怎么用来分析彩票中奖号码」。

很显然这种信不可能会被理。

然后妇女无能狂怒。前一秒钟还是客客气气写信请教,下一秒愤然脱粉。

粉转路人!我举报你通苏!你屁股歪了!

扣帽子谁不会啊。

这还不是个例,美国联邦调查局里关于爱因斯坦的举报材料,有十四箱。

全是这种超视距举报。

材料不老少,屁用没有。

调查局挨个看了,一点有价值的材料都没。

这很简单,如果真有事儿,隔著十万八千里都能被你一个路人发现,那早被更近的发现了。

真该举报的,反而完全没举报出来。

爱因斯坦晚年丧妻后,和一个苏联女士交往过,后来发现那是苏联情报人员。

当然爱因斯坦也没泄露什么情报,曼哈顿工程这些核心工作他也没参与。

十四箱信,一封提到的都没有,美国联邦调查局都没发现。

后来还是女士回去了,爱因斯坦写了情书,大家才知道这一段。

所以,网路上喜欢捕风捉影搞举报的,你真想发扬正义感,别搞这种跨时空打击,你多关心关心周围。

有老师侵犯女学生,你能不能站出来发声。

校园里有同学被欺负,你愿不愿意帮忙反映。

有领导挪用费用,你敢不敢提供实锤。

一群实际生活碰到人遛狗不清理狗屎都不敢上前说两句的人,网上小嘴叭叭的扯什么大是大非屁股脑袋。

你可拉倒吧。


聚焦于举报行为是否正确偏离了问题要害。换一个例子就很清楚了,只要有司法制度,就一定有诬告的、有滥讼的以及各种各样滥用司法资源、浪费司法资源的情况。这是无法彻底避免的事,任何一种制度既会被一些人正确使用,也必然被另一些人滥用或者蓄意的错误使用。但是这些并不意味著司法制度在整体上是错误的,也不意味著普通人不应该通过诉诸司法制度主张自己的权益。

值得注意的重点是,怎么样的司法制度是符合实体和程序正义的、怎么样的司法制度可以保护所有人的基本权利、怎么样的司法制度可以尽量排除诬告和滥讼造成的负面影响。


This is not about justice or injustice. Its about how the world runs.

Basically you could try anything no matter right or wrong. You just pay for it. Somehow, someday. Everything has a price. You do it, you pay for it. Sometimes you cant afford; sometimes you dont know until the bill comes; sometimes you are not benefitted from your attempts. You still have to pay no matter what. Just as you did it no matter right or wrong. Everything has a price, even justice itself.

So think it over. Someone wrote something you dont like, and perhaps was illegal. OK, she pays for it when you screw it up in name of "Justice". But whats next? You pay for your behavior as she screws you back. And then of course she pays for her revenge whatever... Again I am not talking about good or bad. I am not justifying violations of law or revenges in any sense. Even if shes wrong, youre right, so what? The problem is, you could get hurt in the battle. You risked yourself for what? What did you want in the first place? Did you get it after all? Was it worth it?

You win only if youre a real friend of justice. But in case what you really wanted was a good reputation of your favorite TV star, ratting and fucking around were absolutely not wise moves. Its not about that youre telling truth or lie, doing right or wrong. By "speaking up for him", you are simply putting him in trouble, starting a war with his name, taking shit in his face with your own asshole. Because of you, thousands of people are keeping eyes on him and trying to dig out his mistakes, which may destroy his career in the same way you did on their important things. You want that? Losing so much, just for taking down a stupid gayporn that you could have ignored?

Yeah, a "stupid gayporn". To you, they are coming after your sweetheart just for a stupid gayporn which shouldnt have existed. Whats wrong with these people? Its fairly easy. To those people, you have ruined their homeland just for a stupid actor they didnt know and didnt fucking care about, and there is no way to make it up, ever. Then you have to pay for it, and that could be a lot.

People live in different ways, treasure different things. You dont need to understand everyone. You dont need everyone to understand you. All you need to do is to respect other people. Just know where the boundary is and stay the fuck on your side.

Many people - usually teenagers, are not aware of this rule. They have never worried about losing anything since their parents have always been paying for what they wanted. Thats why they act stupid.

In theory you always could find something from textbook that supporting youre right. In practice, if you lose something you dont expect to lose, without getting the thing you want to get, then probably you are doing wrong.


我个人的想法是,现在的网路举报大大降低了举报的门槛和成本,让很多不懂"举报"真正含义的人把它当作排除异己的工具,这是很悲哀的。

我个人对平台的小小建议,当一个账号发起举报这个行为的时候:

1.对于初次进行举报行为的人,首先得通过一个"举报行为规范"的课程,告诉这些人,什么东西什么程度才能举报,并且举一些事件和例子,整个教程式控制制在半小时以内,通过答题结束教程。

2. 教程结束之后,进入举报流程,这个流程可以变得复杂一点,比如希望举报人写下不少于50字的举报理由,同时说明举报内容是通过什么渠道看见的。这个流程有一定可能过滤掉无脑举报的人。

3. 请举报人留下姓名和联系方式,但平台方不会像任何人泄露你的信息(别说泄露信息哈,你注册账号的时候平台已经获取你的信息了),还是当作匿名举报。这种做法一方面告诉大家举报这个行为是很严肃的,另一方面可以合并重复举报。

4. 最后,根据账号的注册时间和举报记录,决定这个举报的权重。比如,注册时间小于一个月算作无效举报; 之前有过多次低质量举报的记录(最后举报内容被判举报失败)的人,一次举报乘以低质量举报占比。

这样一来虽然加大了举报程序的负担,但实际上确能减少很多低质量举报,同时,平台有义务普及"举报"的相关知识和法律后果。

一点拙见,大家别笑话。


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